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Babel codes – extension or templates?[muokkaa]

First of all I think that we should discuss the matter in English so that everyone could take part in it. The question is about using the new #babel extension that is meant to replace the old Babel templates. The advantages are that every language and skill level is covered by the extension whereas the Babel templates require local templates for every language. The disadvantages are that the extension does not categorize users into language groups. See the difference: Babel templates & #babel extension. Before user Linnea imported some templates here from the Finnish Wikipedia, we had not got even the basic templates of Finnish as a mother tongue or templates en-3 and en-1. Some previous discussion can be found on this user talk page. What do you think? I think that the benefits of the new #babel extension outweigh the missing categories. We are not supposed to create templates and categories for dozens of various languages for people whose only contribution to this project is creating their own user page. --Pxos (keskustelu) 9. tammikuuta 2014 kello 00.31 (UTC)[vastaa]

Wikidata is here![muokkaa]

Hey everyone :)

As previously announced we have just enabled interwiki links via Wikidata for Wikisource. This means from now on you no longer have to maintain the links in the Wikitext but can maintain them together with the links for Wikipedia, Commons and Wikivoyage on Wikidata. You will still be able to keep them locally though if you want to. Local interwiki links will overwrite the ones from Wikidata. You do not yet have access to the other data on Wikidata like the date of birth of an author. That will come in a future deployment. I will let you know when I have a date for it.

If you have any questions d:Wikidata:Wikisource is a good first step. It also has a list of people familiar with both Wikisource and Wikidata who are able to help you out. That is also a good place for any issues or bugs you encounter.

I'm really excited to welcome you all to Wikidata! I hope it will become a great help for Wikisource.

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) via MediaWiki message delivery (keskustelu) 14. tammikuuta 2014 kello 21.07 (UTC)[vastaa]

Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?[muokkaa]

I apologize for this message being only in English. Please translate it if needed to help your community.

The Wikimedia Foundation's multimedia team seeks community guidance on a proposal to support the MP4 video format. This digital video standard is used widely around the world to record, edit and watch videos on mobile phones, desktop computers and home video devices. It is also known as H.264/MPEG-4 or AVC.

Supporting the MP4 format would make it much easier for our users to view and contribute video on Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects -- and video files could be offered in dual formats on our sites, so we could continue to support current open formats (WebM and Ogg Theora).

However, MP4 is a patent-encumbered format, and using a proprietary format would be a departure from our current practice of only supporting open formats on our sites -- even though the licenses appear to have acceptable legal terms, with only a small fee required.

We would appreciate your guidance on whether or not to support MP4. Our Request for Comments presents views both in favor and against MP4 support, based on opinions we’ve heard in our discussions with community and team members.

Please join this RfC -- and share your advice.

All users are welcome to participate, whether you are active on Commons, Wikipedia, other Wikimedia project -- or any site that uses content from our free media repository.

You are also welcome to join tomorrow's Office hours chat on IRC, this Thursday, January 16, at 19:00 UTC, if you would like to discuss this project with our team and other community members.

We look forward to a constructive discussion with you, so we can make a more informed decision together on this important topic. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16. tammikuuta 2014 kello 06.46 (UTC)[vastaa]

Access to data in Wikidata[muokkaa]

Hey :)

(Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this for me where necessary.)

Not long ago we enabled language links via Wikidata for Wikisource. This seems to have gone rather smoothly. Thanks to everyone who helped! But as you know this was only the start. What is actually more interesting is access to the data in Wikidata like the date of birth of an author or the year a book was published. We have planned this for February 25th (unless any issues arise). You will then be able to use the data in your articles. I hope this will open up a lot of new opportunities for you.

If you have any questions d:Wikidata:Wikisource is a good place to find help.

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 27. tammikuuta 2014 kello 13.51 (UTC)[vastaa]

Wikidatan käyttöönotto ei tainnut aiheuttaa juuri mitään muutosta nykyisiin artikkeleihin? --Hartz (keskustelu) 10. helmikuuta 2014 kello 13.20 (UTC)[vastaa]

Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014[muokkaa]

On January 21 2014 the MediaWiki extension Universal Language Selector (ULS) was disabled on this wiki. A new preference was added for logged-in users to turn on ULS. This was done to prevent slow loading of pages due to ULS webfonts, a behaviour that had been observed by the Wikimedia Technical Operations team on some wikis.

We are now ready to enable ULS again. The temporary preference to enable ULS will be removed. A new checkbox has been added to the Language Panel to enable/disable font delivery. This will be unchecked by default for this wiki, but can be selected at any time by the users to enable webfonts. This is an interim solution while we improve the feature of webfonts delivery.

You can read the announcement and the development plan for more information. Apologies for writing this message only in English. Thank you. Runa

Amendment to the Terms of Use[muokkaa]

Hello all,

Please join a discussion about a proposed amendment to the Wikimedia Terms of Use regarding undisclosed paid editing and we encourage you to voice your thoughts there. Please translate this statement if you can, and we welcome you to translate the proposed amendment and introduction. Please see the discussion on Meta Wiki for more information. Thank you! Slaporte (WMF) 21. helmikuuta 2014 kello 22.00 (UTC)[vastaa]

You can now access the data on Wikidata[muokkaa]

Hey folks,

We have just enabled data access to Wikidata for Wikisource (except old-wikisource). This means you can now access data like the date of birth of an author or the ISBN of a book. You can do this in two ways. The first one is a parser function. You can use it like {{#property:capital}} or {{#property:P36}}. The second one is Lua. The documentation for that is at mw:Extension:WikibaseClient/Lua

If you have any questions you will find help at d:Wikidata:Wikisource and its talk page.

I hope you'll use this to do some kick-ass things on Wikisource ;-)

Cheers Lydia Pintscher 25. helmikuuta 2014 kello 19.54 (UTC)[vastaa]

Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments[muokkaa]

I apologize if this message is not in your language. Please help translate it.

Do you have an idea for a project that could improve your community? Individual Engagement Grants from the Wikimedia Foundation help support individuals and small teams to organize experiments for 6 months. You can get funding to try out your idea for online community organizing, outreach, tool-building, or research to help make Wikiaineisto better. In March, we’re looking for new project proposals.

Examples of past Individual Engagement Grant projects:

Organizing social media for Chinese Wikipedia ($350 for materials)
Improving gadgets for Visual Editor ($4500 for developers)
Coordinating access to reliable sources for Wikipedians ($7500 for project management, consultants and materials)
Building community and strategy for Wikisource (€10000 for organizing and travel)

Proposals are due by 31 March 2014. There are a number of ways to get involved!

Hope to have your participation,

--Siko Bouterse, Head of Individual Engagement Grants, Wikimedia Foundation 28. helmikuuta 2014 kello 19.44 (UTC)[vastaa]

Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment[muokkaa]

Hello all, in response to some community comments in the discussion on the amendment to the Terms of Use on undisclosed paid editing, we have prepared two optional changes. Please read about these optional changes on Meta wiki and share your comments. If you can (and this is a non english project), please translate this announcement. Thanks! Slaporte (WMF) 13. maaliskuuta 2014 kello 21.56 (UTC)[vastaa]

IP-estoista vapauttaminen[muokkaa]

Nyt on alkanut muissa projekteissa esiintyä aika lailla sellaista vandalismia, jota tehdään vaihtuvista IP-osoitteista. Vandalismin torjunnan tehokeino ovat avaruusestot, joilla voidaan estää miltei koko operaattorin (Sonera, Elisa, DNA) liittymistä muokkaaminen. On luullakseni vain ajan kysymys, koska sama vandalismi leviää myös tänne. Ajattelin sen vuoksi laittaa parille vakiomuokkaajalle valmiiksi vapautuksen IP-estoista, jos sattuu käymään niin, että avaruusesto joudutaan asettamaan ja tämä vaikuttaa myös heihin. Onko kellään mitään vastaan tätä ajatusta? Jos on, IP-estovapautukset voidaan myös poistaa helposti. --Pxos (keskustelu) 20. maaliskuuta 2014 kello 19.25 (UTC)[vastaa]

Näemmä laitoit mullekin tuon vapautuksen, mutta oon jo globaalisti muutenkin suojassa estoilta: [1]. Mutta ei kai tuosta haittaakaan ole. --Stryn (keskustelu) 20. maaliskuuta 2014 kello 19.41 (UTC)[vastaa]

Minulle vapautus saattaa olla hyödyllinen, kun muokkaan pääasiassa Saunalahden nettitikun välityksellä. IP ilmeisesti vaihtuu usein, sillä saan tuntemattomille käyttäjille suunnattuja viestejä, kun katselen sivuja ennen kirjautumista. - Svallis (keskustelu) 20. maaliskuuta 2014 kello 20.44 (UTC)[vastaa]

Pxos: Tuon "oikeuden" voinee ottaa multa jo pois. Tosiaan vieläkin omistan järjestelmänlaajuisen IP-vapautuksen, mutta ehkä en tarvitse sitäkään enää... mutta ainakin tämän voi jo ottaa pois. --Stryn (keskustelu) 1. lokakuuta 2014 kello 20.06 (UTC)[vastaa]

Otin pyynnöstäsi oikeuden pois. Luin jostain, että globaali IP-vapautus suojaa vain globaaliestoilta eikä paikallisilta estoilta ollenkaan, mutta tietoni saattaa olla vanhentunutta. --Pxos (keskustelu) 1. lokakuuta 2014 kello 22.25 (UTC)[vastaa]

Typografiapäivitys[muokkaa]

Typografiapävitys otetaan käyttöön 1. huhtikuuta 2014. Muutos koskee vain Vector-ulkoasua. Muutos koskettaa kaikkia käyttäjiä Wikiaineistossa, jotka käyttävät Vector-ulkoasua. Kirjasinkoko suurenee, otsikot muuttuvat erinäköisiksi, sisällysluettelot muuttuvat ym. Uutta ulkoasua voi kokeilla nyt (25.3.2014) omien asetusten Beeta-ominaisuuksista valitsemalla kohdan "Typografiapäivitys". Vanhaan tyyliin ei ole paluuta muutoksen jälkeen. --Pxos (keskustelu) 25. maaliskuuta 2014 kello 10.22 (UTC)[vastaa]

Changes to the default site typography coming soon[muokkaa]

This week, the typography on Wikimedia sites will be updated for all readers and editors who use the default "Vector" skin. This change will involve new serif fonts for some headings, small tweaks to body content fonts, text size, text color, and spacing between elements. The schedule is:

April 1st: non-Wikipedia projects will see this change live
April 3rd: Wikipedias will see this change live

This change is very similar to the "Typography Update" Beta Feature that has been available on Wikimedia projects since November 2013. After several rounds of testing and with feedback from the community, this Beta Feature will be disabled and successful aspects enabled in the default site appearance. Users who are logged in may still choose to use another skin, or alter their personal CSS, if they prefer a different appearance. Local common CSS styles will also apply as normal, for issues with local styles and scripts that impact all users.

For more information:

Summary of changes and FAQ
Discussion page for feedback or questions
Post on blog.wikimedia.org

-- Steven Walling (Product Manager) on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation's User Experience Design team

Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014[muokkaa]

Wikimania 2014 will be held in London this August and it will be a great opportunity to discuss how to use the recently created Wikisource Community User Group to coordinate and to better promote Wikisource. We would like to invite the participants of each Wikisource language community to showcase the projects has been working in the past year and, of course, learn from each other experiences. See you there? Sign up in the meeting page.
—The preceding MassMessage was sent by Micru on behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.--13. toukokuuta 2014 kello 06.59 (UTC)

Using only UploadWizard for uploads[muokkaa]

Hello! It was noted that on this wiki you have less than 10 local files. Presumably, you therefore don't have interest nor energies to have hundreds templates with the now required HTML, even less a local EDP. However, this means that users here will experience a mostly broken and/or illegal uploading. I propose to

have local upload restricted to the "ylläpitäjät" group (for emergency uploads) and
the sidebar point to commons:Special:UploadWizard,

so that you can avoid local maintenance and all users can have a functioning, easy upload interface in their own language. All registered users can upload on Commons and existing files will not be affected.

I'll get this done in one week from now.

If you disagree with the proposal, just remove your wiki from the list.
To make the UploadWizard even better, please tell your experience and ideas on commons:Commons:Upload Wizard feedback.

Nemo 19. toukokuuta 2014 kello 20.38 (UTC)[vastaa]

When there's just one week to understand and discuss this, the course of actions is very clear: we will opt-out from this proposal until the community can discuss it properly. --Pxos (keskustelu) 20. toukokuuta 2014 kello 01.22 (UTC)[vastaa]

Ok. You can always change the configuration in the future with a simple one week discussion as well. --Nemo bis (keskustelu) 20. toukokuuta 2014 kello 10.04 (UTC)[vastaa]

We (majestic plural) have decided to keep the local upload. I have started to brush up the templates that are needed for this. --Pxos (keskustelu) 31. toukokuuta 2014 kello 20.43 (UTC)[vastaa]

Tiedostotallennukset[muokkaa]

Vesa Linja-aho on sattumalta tallentanut tänne kirjan pdf-tiedostomuodossa samoihin aikoihin kun yllä oleva Meta-aktiivi ehdottaa paikallisen tallennusmahdollisuuden poistamista kokonaan. Meidän pitäisi varmaan yhteisönä päättää, saako tänne tallentaa tiedostoja ollenkaan ja jos saa, millä ehdoilla ja millä käyttöoikeusmallineilla niitä voi tallentaa. Yllä oleva tiedostotalletusten siirtäminen vain Commonsiin olisi voinut olla hyvä idea, jollei tänne olisi tullut tuota vapaan oppimateriaalin kirjaa esimerkiksi sellaisista tallennuksista, jotka varmaankin olisivat sallittuja. Mitähän mieltä asiasta ollaan? --Pxos (keskustelu) 20. toukokuuta 2014 kello 02.08 (UTC) Ping: Olisiko Jafella tai Nysalorilla tähän painavaa sanaa? --Pxos (keskustelu) 20. toukokuuta 2014 kello 14.50 (UTC)[vastaa]

No teen sitten yksin päätöksen, että täällä säilyy tiedostojen tallennusmahdollisuus, koska sen poistaminenkin tuntuu olevan vain yhden ihmisen tempaus. Kun kaikkea ei kuitenkaan ole pakko aina viedä Commonsiin, niin tallennettakoon tänne vanhoja lakeja ja oikeuden päätöksiä tiedostomuodossa tekstin ohella. --Pxos (keskustelu) 31. toukokuuta 2014 kello 14.10 (UTC)[vastaa]

Media Viewer[muokkaa]

Greetings, my apologies for writing in English.

I wanted to let you know that Media Viewer will be released to this wiki in the coming weeks. Media Viewer allows readers of Wikimedia projects to have an enhanced view of files without having to visit the file page, but with more detail than a thumbnail. You can try Media Viewer out now by turning it on in your Beta Features. If you do not enjoy Media Viewer or if it interferes with your work after it is turned on you will be able to disable Media Viewer as well in your preferences. I invite you to share what you think about Media Viewer and how it can be made better in the future.

Thank you for your time. - Keegan (WMF) 23. toukokuuta 2014 kello 21.29 (UTC)[vastaa]

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Media Viewer is now live on this wiki[muokkaa]

Greetings— and sorry for writing in English, please translate if it will help your community,

The Wikimedia Foundation's Multimedia team is happy to announce that Media Viewer was just released on this site today.

Media Viewer displays images in larger size when you click on their thumbnails, to provide a better viewing experience. Users can now view images faster and more clearly, without having to jump to separate pages — and its user interface is more intuitive, offering easy access to full-resolution images and information, with links to the file repository for editing. The tool has been tested extensively across all Wikimedia wikis over the past six months as a Beta Feature and has been released to the largest Wikipedias, all language Wikisources, and the English Wikivoyage already.

If you do not like this feature, you can easily turn it off by clicking on "Disable Media Viewer" at the bottom of the screen, pulling up the information panel (or in your your preferences) whether you have an account or not. Learn more in this Media Viewer Help page.

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about Media Viewer. You are invited to share your feedback in this discussion on MediaWiki.org in any language, to help improve this feature. You are also welcome to take this quick survey in English, en français, o español.

We hope you enjoy Media Viewer. Many thanks to all the community members who helped make it possible. - Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 19. kesäkuuta 2014 kello 21.54 (UTC)[vastaa]

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Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions[muokkaa]

The Wikimedia Foundation recently created a new feature, "superprotect" status. The purpose is to prevent pages from being edited by elected administrators -- but permitting WMF staff to edit them. It has been put to use in only one case: to protect the deployment of the Media Viewer software on German Wikipedia, in defiance of a clear decision of that community to disable the feature by default, unless users decide to enable it.

If you oppose these actions, please add your name to this letter. If you know non-Wikimedians who support our vision for the free sharing of knowledge, and would like to add their names to the list, please ask them to sign an identical version of the letter on change.org.

-- JurgenNL (talk) 21. elokuuta 2014 kello 17.35 (UTC)[vastaa]

Process ideas for software development[muokkaa]

’’My apologies for writing in English.’’

Hello,

I am notifying you that a brainstorming session has been started on Meta to help the Wikimedia Foundation increase and better affect community participation in software development across all wiki projects. Basically, how can you be more involved in helping to create features on Wikimedia projects? We are inviting all interested users to voice their ideas on how communities can be more involved and informed in the product development process at the Wikimedia Foundation. It would be very appreciated if you could translate this message to help inform your local communities as well.

I and the rest of my team welcome you to participate. We hope to see you on Meta.

Kind regards, -- Rdicerb (WMF) talk 21. elokuuta 2014 kello 22.15 (UTC)[vastaa]

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Grants to improve your project[muokkaa]

Apologies for English. Please help translate this message.

Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals for funding new experiments from September 1st to 30th. Your idea could improve Wikimedia projects with a new tool or gadget, a better process to support community-building on your wiki, research on an important issue, or something else we haven't thought of yet. Whether you need $200 or $30,000 USD, Individual Engagement Grants can cover your own project development time in addition to hiring others to help you.

Submit your proposal
Get help: In IdeaLab or an upcoming Hangout session MediaWiki message delivery (keskustelu) 2. syyskuuta 2014 kello 16.52 (UTC)[vastaa]

Change in renaming process[muokkaa]

Part or all of this message may be in English. Please help translate if possible.

Single-user login (SUL) finalisation's goal is so that every Wikimedia editor has a single, recognized global account with one username across all projects. As you may know, after a long delay, it's now underway as an effort between bureaucrats, stewards, and Wikimedia Foundation engineers. This will also allow for development of cross-wiki tools like global notifications and watchlists. There is no set date for the completion of single-user login finalization at this time.

The process involves changing all rename processes into one global renaming process. The ability for local bureaucrats to rename users on this wiki will be turned off on Monday, 15 September 2014, as one of the first steps. Global renamers are in the process of being created to make sure projects and languages are represented by the time this occurs. I sent a note to every bureaucrat about this process three weeks ago with an invitation to participate and many have begun requesting to be a part of the group. Together with the stewards, the global renamers will be empowered to help editors work through the often difficult process of getting a global name.

In parting, visit Special:MergeAccount to unify your account if you have never done so. If your local pages about renaming still need to be updated, please do so and consider pointing people to m:SRUC for future rename requests, especially if this project does not have bureaucrats that hold global renamer permissions. If you have any questions, you can read more on the help page on Meta. You can also follow the technical progress on mediawiki.org. Contact me on Meta any time with questions as well. Thank you for your time.

-- User:Keegan (WMF) (talk) 9 September 2014 16.22 (UTC)

Tallentaa tiedostoja, Ohjattu tiedoston tallentaminen?[muokkaa]

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. It was noted that on this wiki there is little community activity around uploads: less than 50 "Poista" actions in "Tiedosto" last year.

I guess this wiki doesn't have the interest or energies to maintain complex templates and metadata, especially for EDP files. I propose to

send users to commons:Special:UploadWizard from the sidebar and
limit local "Tallenna tiedosto" to the "ylläpitäjät" group (for any emergency uploads),

so that no new work is needed on this wiki and all users can have a functioning, easy upload interface in their own language. All registered users can upload on Commons.

All this will be done around 2014-09-30.

If you disagree with the proposal, just remove this wiki from the list.
To make the UploadWizard even better, please tell your experience and ideas on commons:Commons:Upload Wizard feedback.
In all cases, existing files will not be affected, but everyone is welcome to join m:File metadata cleanup drive. The goal is to give better credit to the authors who provided us their works.

Nemo 18. syyskuuta 2014 kello 19.12 (UTC)[vastaa]

Tätä yritetään nyt toisen kerran jo. Ei onnistu, asiasta on päätetty toukokuussa. --Pxos (keskustelu) 18. syyskuuta 2014 kello 23.34 (UTC)[vastaa]

Meta RfCs on two new global groups[muokkaa]

Hello all,

There are currently requests for comment open on meta to create two new global groups. The first is a group for members of the OTRS permissions queue, which would grant them autopatrolled rights on all wikis except those who opt-out. That proposal can be found at m:Requests for comment/Creation of a global OTRS-permissions user group. The second is a group for Wikimedia Commons admins and OTRS agents to view deleted file pages through the 'viewdeletedfile' right on all wikis except those who opt-out. The second proposal can be found at m:Requests for comment/Global file deletion review.

We would like to hear what you think on both proposals. Both are in English; if you wanted to translate them into your native language that would also be appreciated.

It is possible for individual projects to opt-out, so that users in those groups do not have any additional rights on those projects. To do this please start a local discussion, and if there is consensus you can request to opt-out of either or both at m:Stewards' noticeboard.

Thanks and regards, Ajraddatz (talk) 26. lokakuuta 2014 kello 18.04 (UTC)[vastaa]

Global AbuseFilter[muokkaa]

Hei,

AbuseFilter on MediaWiki-laajennus, jota käytetään havaitsemaan todennäköisesti loukkaavat käyttäytymiskuviot, kuten samankaltainen vandalisointi ja mainostaminen. Vuonna 2013 järjestelmänlaajuiset väärinkäyttösuodattimet otettiin käyttöön rajoitetuissa joukoissa wikejä, sisältäen Meta-Wiki, Mediawiki.org, Wikispecies ja kaikki "pienet wikit". Hiljattain järjestelmänlaajuiset väärinkäyttösuodattimet otettiin käyttöön myöskin "keskikokoisissa wikeissä". Näitä suodattimia hallinnoivat tällä hetkellä ylivalvojat Meta-Wikissä ja niiden on havaittu olevan todella tehokkaita Wikimedia-projektien laajuisessa mainoshyökkäysten torjunnassa. Kuitenkaan tällä hetkellä ei ole käytäntöjä siitä, kuinka järjestelmänlaajuisia väärinkäyttösuodattimia hallinnoidaan, vaikkakin ehdotuksia on olemassa. Tällä hetkellä on käynnissä kommenttipyyntö linjauksista koskien järjestelmänlaajuisen väärinkäyttösuodattimen käyttöä. Sillä välin, yksittäiset wikit voivat pyytää järjestelmänlaajuisen väärinkäyttösuodattimen poistamista wikistään. Nämä wikit voivat lisätä pyynnön siitä tälle listalle Meta-Wikissä. Lisätietoa löytyy tältä sivulta Meta-Wikissä. Jos sinulla on kysyttävää, voit kysyä sivulla m:Talk:Global AbuseFilter.

Kiittäen,

PiRSquared17, Glaisher — 14. marraskuuta 2014 kello 17.34 (UTC)[vastaa]